第 20 节
作者:老山文学      更新:2024-01-16 22:40      字数:8823
  life; without any regard to speculation。
  。 Methinks I apprehend your meaning。
  。 It is your opinion the ideas we perceive by our
  senses are not real things; but images or copies of them。 Our
  knowledge; therefore; is no farther real than as our ideas are
  the true  of those 。 But; as these
  supposed originals are in themselves unknown; it is impossible to
  know how far our ideas resemble them; or whether they resemble
  them at all。 We cannot; therefore; be sure we have any real
  knowledge。 Farther; as our ideas are perpetually varied; without
  any change in the supposed real things; it necessarily follows
  they cannot all be true copies of them: or; if some are and
  others are not; it is impossible to distinguish the former from
  the latter。 And this plunges us yet deeper in uncertainty。 Again;
  when we consider the point; we cannot conceive how any idea; or
  anything like an idea; should have an absolute existence out of a
  mind: nor consequently; according to you; how there should be any
  real thing in nature。 The result of ;all which is that we are
  thrown into the most hopeless and abandoned scepticism。 Now; give
  me leave to ask you; First; Whether your referring ideas to
  certain absolutely existing unperceived substances; as their
  originals; be not the source of all this scepticism? Secondly;
  whether you are informed; either by sense or reason; of the
  existence of those unknown originals? And; in case you are not;
  whether it be not absurd to suppose them? Thirdly; Whether; upon
  inquiry; you find there is anything distinctly conceived or meant
  by the ? Lastly; Whether; the premises considered; it be not
  the wisest way to follow nature; trust your senses; and; laying
  aside all anxious thought about unknown natures or substances;
  admit with the vulgar those for real things which are perceived
  by the senses?
  。 For the present; I have no inclination to the
  answering part。 I would much rather see how you can get over what
  follows。 Pray are not the objects perceived by the {247}
  of one; likewise perceivable to others present? If there were a
  hundred more here; they would all see the garden; the trees; and
  flowers; as I see them。 But they are not in the same manner
  affected with the ideas I frame in my 。 Does not
  this make a difference between the former sort of objects and the
  latter?
  。 I grant it does。 Nor have I ever denied a difference
  between the objects of sense and those of imagination。 But what
  would you infer from thence? You cannot say that sensible objects
  exist unperceived; because they are perceived by many。
  。 I own I can make nothing of that objection: but it
  hath led me into another。 Is it not your opinion that by our
  senses we perceive only the ideas existing in our minds?
  。 It is。
  。 But the  idea which is in my mind cannot be in
  yours; or in any other mind。 Doth it not therefore follow; from
  your principles; that no two can see the same thing? And is not
  this highly; absurd?
  。 If the term  be taken in the vulgar
  acceptation; it is certain (and not at all repugnant to the
  principles I maintain) that different persons may perceive the
  same thing; or the same thing or idea exist in different minds。
  Words are of arbitrary imposition; and; since men are used to
  apply the word  where no distinction or variety is
  perceived; and I do not pretend to alter their perceptions; it
  follows that; as men have said before; ; so they may; upon like occasions; still continue to use
  the same phrase; without any deviation either from propriety of
  language; or the truth of things。 But; if the term  be used
  in the acceptation of philosophers; who pretend to an abstracted
  notion of identity; then; according to their sundry definitions
  of this notion (for it is not yet agreed wherein that philosophic
  identity consists); it may or may not be possible for divers
  persons to perceive the same thing。 But whether philosophers
  shall think fit to  a thing the  no; is; I
  conceive; of small importance。 Let us suppose several men
  together; all endued with the same faculties; and consequently
  affected in like sort by their senses; and who had yet never
  known the use of language; they would; without question; agree in
  their perceptions。 Though perhaps; when they came to the use of
  speech; some regarding the uniformness of what was perceived;
  might call it the  thing: others; especially {248}
  regarding the diversity of persons who perceived; might choose
  the denomination of  things。 But who sees not that all
  the dispute is about a word? to wit; whether。 what is perceived
  by different persons may yet have the term  applied to it?
  Or; suppose a house; whose walls or outward shell remaining
  unaltered; the chambers are all pulled down; and new ones built
  in their place; and that you should call this the ; and I
  should say it was not the  house。  would we not; for all
  this; perfectly agree in our thoughts of the house; considered in
  itself? And would not all the difference consist in a sound? If
  you should say; We differed in our notions; for that you super…
  added to your idea of the house the simple abstracted idea of
  identity; whereas I did not; I would tell you; I know not what
  you mean by ; and should desire
  you to look into your own thoughts; and be sure you understood
  yourself。  Why so silent; Hylas? Are you not yet satisfied men
  may dispute about identity and diversity; without any real
  difference in their thoughts and opinions; abstracted from names?
  Take this farther reflexion with you: that whether Matter be
  allowed to exist or no; the case is exactly the same as to the
  point in hand。 For the Materialists themselves acknowledge what
  we immediately perceive by our senses to be our own ideas。 Your
  difficulty; therefore; that no two see the same thing; makes
  equally against the Materialists and me。
  。 'Ay; Philonous;''10' But they suppose an external
  archetype; to which referring their several ideas they may truly
  be said to perceive the same thing。
  。 And (not to mention your having discarded those
  archetypes) so may you suppose an external archetype on my
  principles;  ; ; : though
  indeed it must be' supposed to exist in that Mind which
  comprehends all things; but then; this serves all the ends of
  ; as well as if it existed out of a mind。 And I am sure
  you yourself will not say it is less intelligible。
  。 You have indeed clearly satisfied me  either that
  there is no difficulty at bottom in this point; or; if there be;
  that it makes equally against both opinions。
  。 But that which makes equally against two
  contradictory opinions can be a proof against neither。
  。 I acknowledge it。 But; after all; Philonous; when I
  consider {249} the substance of what you advance against
  ; it amounts to no more than this: We are sure that
  we really see; hear; feel; in a word; that we are affected with
  sensible impressions。
  。 And how are  concerned any farther? I see this
  cherry; I feel it; I taste it: and I am sure  cannot be
  seen; or felt; or。 tasted: it is therefore red。 Take away the
  sensations of softness; moisture; redness; tartness; and you take
  away the cherry; since it is not a being distinct from
  sensations。 A cherry; I say; is nothing but a congeries of
  sensible impressions; or ideas perceived by various senses: which
  ideas are united into one thing (or have one name given them) by
  the mind; because they are observed to attend each other。 Thus;
  when the palate is affected with such a particular taste; the
  sight is affected with a red colour; the touch with roundness;
  softness; &c。 Hence; when I see; and feel; and taste; in such
  sundry certain manners; I am sure the cherry exists; or is real;
  its reality being in my opinion nothing abstracted from those
  sensations。 But if by the word  you; mean an unknown
  nature; distinct from all those sensible qualities; and by its
  something distinct from its being perceived; then;
  indeed; I own; neither you nor I; nor any one else; can be sure
  it exists。
  。 But; what would you say; Philonous; if I should bring
  the very same reasons against the existence of sensible things
  ; which you have offered against their existing ?
  。 When I see your reasons; you shall hear what I have
  to say ;to them。
  。 Is the mind extended or unextended?
  。 Unextended; without doubt。
  。 Do you say the things you perceive are in your mind?
  。 They are。
  。 Again; have I not heard you speak of sensible
  impressions?
  。 I believe you may。
  。 Explain to me now; 0 Philonous! how it is possible
  there should be room for all those trees and houses to exist in
  your mind。 Can extended things be contai